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I have never known any one subject to be as inundated with pseudoscience as the subject of man made global warming. Peeling through the nonsense, do you feel the subject warrants the attention and funding that it currently does?

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The current scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change is found in the AR4 (2007) report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) at http://www.ipcc.ch/

A good site for assessing the respective credentials of climate scientists is James Prall's site of the most-cited authors on climate change:

http://www.eecg.utoronto.ca/~prall/climate/

It's interesting to note that while there are some climate change skeptics with legitimate credentials and solid publishing records (e.g., John Christy, Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke, Sr., Richard Lindzen, Robert Balling, etc.), they are a tiny minority and their positions are much more nuanced than those of the climate change skeptical organizations that get the most media attention, such as The Heartland Institute. They tend not to doubt that there is global warming (and most participate in the IPCC), but The Heartland Institute cheered the most recent Pew Poll that showed American belief in global warming had declined. They agree that human emissions are increasing CO2 and that there is likely an anthropogenic component to warming and other aspects of climate change (like ocean acidification), but to question the earth's climate sensitivity.

There is a lot of nonsense put out by some of the climate change organizations. S. Fred Singer's Science and Environmental Policy Project and the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine are particularly noteworthy in that regard; the latter is especially tarnished by its association with the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, that regularly publishes crackpot material in its journal (HIV doesn't cause AIDS, homosexuality causes crime, vaccinations cause autism, evolution is false, etc.). I find it startling that two Harvard astrophysicists would publish in such a journal, but Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas have done so--they were the authors of the 2003 paper in the journal Climate Research that claimed that global warming was due to solar variation, only to provoke protests from a dozen or so of the authors they cited that their work had been misused; this also led to the resignation of the journal's editor-in-chief and two of the other editors over what they saw as a failure of peer review.

A study of 141 English language "environmentally sceptical" books published between 1972 and 2005 found that 92% of them were published by conservative think tanks or authored by individuals directly associated with conservative think tanks (Jacques et al., Environmental Politics vol. 17, no. 3, June 2008, pp. 349-385).

Virtually every major world science organization has issued a statement supporting the general conclusions of the IPCC about anthropogenic climate change, and as of 2007 the only one I'm aware of that is noncommittal is that of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists--which switched from being anti-AGW to noncommittal in 2007. I'm not aware of any scientific organizations that have an anti-AGW statement, though S. Fred Singer attempted to get the American Physical Society to reverse their stance this year. He only managed to collect supportive signatures from 206 people (0.45% of the APS membership), and their petition was denied. John Mashey did an interesting social network analysis of the first 121 signers, and found them to center around the usual suspect conservative think tanks--Singer's SEPP, the George C. Marshall Institute, the Cato Institute, and so forth. You can find that 128-page document here:

http://www.desmogblog.com/another-silly-climate-petition-exposed

You can also find good commentary on climate science at the following blogs, all authored by climate scientists:

Real Climate http://www.realclimate.org/

More Grumbine Science http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/

Duae Quartunciae http://duoquartuncia.blogspot.com/

A few other reliable ones not by climate scientists:

Deltoid http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/

Stoat http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/

A more detailed analysis of climate skeptics is here:

http://lippard.blogspot.com/2009/12/who-are-climate-change-skeptics.html

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Good post. I would like to comment in greater detail later this week if I get time . But just a couple of quick points... 1) I'm not quite sure why 'conservative think tanks' should be immediately dismissed. On the flip, there are numerous organisations with a liberal slant pumping out idealist views. 2) Just because the majority of the organisations and scientists are 'believers' of AGW, this does not make a case for it's validity IMO. Being the atheist that I am, I'm quite used to the majority being wrong. The similarities between AGW and hysterical religious cults are quite striking. – unknown (yahoo) Dec 7 at 4:09
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There appears to be a few gaping holes in the science behind AGP (I will elaborate in greater detail at a later date). And since posting this question to the forum, we have of-course had the Climategate scandal, which solidifies my suspicions further. I'm not entirely sceptical of AGW, just mostly. – unknown (yahoo) Dec 7 at 4:10
I think we can discount the IPCC as a corrupt organisation and spewer of nonscience. – unknown (yahoo) Dec 12 at 15:47
Your above answer also gives the impression that few scientists are sceptical of AGW, however here are 31,486... petitionproject.org – unknown (yahoo) Dec 19 at 3:07
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The Oregon Petition Project is not a good measure of skepticism of AGW by scientists, as all that is required for signatories is that they claim to have at least a bachelor's degree in some scientific field. I discuss the Oregon Petition Project and the scientific credibility of AGW-skeptical organizations and individuals in more detail here: lippard.blogspot.com/2009/12/… – lippard Dec 23 at 16:09
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What ever the cause of Global Warming and personally I believe that AGW has a valid scienctific basis, surely the bigger issue is if there is something we can do to protect the vulnerable living in poor countries then it is our duty and hopefully our want to do so. Forget about risng sea levels and homeless polar bears a 2oC rise in global temperatures could have a devistating effect on crop production in countries already struggling to feed their populations. This rise could increase the temperature above that which is optimum for photosynthisis causing decreases in crop yield and potential famine. Changes in sea and air temperatures could potentially alter the life cycles of many plant and animal species putting ecosystems in danger. If there is a chance that we are responsible for the speed at which our climate appears to be changing should we not rise to the challenge of doing something about it!

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AGW = Anthropogenic Global Warming – rjstelling Dec 8 at 13:59
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for living 'greener'. My problem with all this is, with all this hysteria, there is no room for reasoned debate. Science is being undermined by pseudoscience and some of the 'solutions' posed have potential to make problems even worse. Take biofuels for an example, any land dedicated to biofuels will have the negative result of pushing food prices up, causing food shortages, and precisely the scenario you are trying to avoid in your comments above. – unknown (yahoo) Dec 9 at 9:54
Hydrogen power.. is another nonsense solution held in high regard by the irrational and scientifically challenged global warming camp. Seen as the ultimate 'green' alternative and saviour of the planet, the reality is that it is quite the opposite. A comparably inefficient method of energy storage. inefficient = greater land area dedicated to fuel = higher food prices = bad solution. – unknown (yahoo) Dec 9 at 10:40
Green credits. Dumping waste into the ocean to increase algae production. Genetically modifying plants and animals to be more 'green'. Our moral crusade has lost the plot frankly. – unknown (yahoo) Dec 9 at 10:43
The only sensible solution to pollution, food shortage and global warming is to encourage people to have fewer children.I find it utterly disgusting that some parents have 8 plus children. These are the people we need to target to 'save the planet'. – unknown (yahoo) Dec 9 at 10:53
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Indeed, a much better indicator is this:

http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

"think we can discount the IPCC as a corrupt organisation and spewer of nonscience" What?? You are clearly not a sceptic.

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On the contrary. I seem to be the only sceptic here. All answers have given have had political bias, or displayed blind acceptance of data grafted organisations with an agenda. So, rather than trying to brush this aside lets talk science.. Explain the maunder minimum. Explain the 800 year lag. Explain the recent drop in global temperature. Explain why organisations such as CRU IPCC should be trusted in wake of climategate. AGW simply does not exist, this should be clear to any sceptic worthy of the name. – unknown (yahoo) Jan 11 at 10:54
unknown (yahoo) is obviously a global warming denier as opposed to a true skeptic. – rjstelling Jan 16 at 15:51
OH look... "Reports today suggest that the IPCC may soon retract one of the more alarming predictions in its latest massive review of climate science, that the glaciers of the Himalayas are very likely to disappear by 2035, after it was found to be unjustified. " What a surprise. I give up on this place. This is no sceptics web site. None of you have any sound arguments, all you can do is sully the names of others who disagree with your views. But no surprise, this is the only weapon in the arsenal of a global warming cultist as your views have no solid science to back you up. – unknown (yahoo) Jan 17 at 21:47
This place is a disgrace to sceptics the world over. – unknown (yahoo) Jan 17 at 21:58
If you were a dedicated skeptic you would hardly throw a hissy fit and run away. I think if you can present reasonable evidence then you will get a fairer hearing in a forum like this than almost anywhere, but I don't think that's what you're looking for, at least that's not how you're presenting yourself. Post your issues as questions, and let them be discussed. You may find that simply breaking them up into specific issues, rather than a more generalized point like this, produces better discussion of the details. Ranting simply discredits your arguments as not worth addressing. – Skrivener Jan 18 at 9:06

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